Comments on: Shaking My Head (And The Winner Is…) http://readethos.com/2008/06/09/shaking-my-head-and-the-winner-is/ A blog on race, class, politics & culture Sun, 29 Mar 2009 03:55:29 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Perk http://readethos.com/2008/06/09/shaking-my-head-and-the-winner-is/#comment-288 Perk Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:40:38 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=117#comment-288 Yo cuzzin despite all the debatin, good looks on shoutin out to PETA lovers. I think it's ridic...Though not gna lie, I give myself props for not eating beef or pork anymore ha Yo cuzzin despite all the debatin, good looks on shoutin out to PETA lovers. I think it’s ridic…Though not gna lie, I give myself props for not eating beef or pork anymore ha

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By: Paul http://readethos.com/2008/06/09/shaking-my-head-and-the-winner-is/#comment-264 Paul Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:20:14 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=117#comment-264 And despite my tone...I really have no interest in debating this stuff considering the blatantly obvious sarcasm and humorous tones of my posts...like do you all seriously want to debate with me?...I gave God a "Shaking My Head" award...please don't take me seriously enough to start an online debate...you all def have more important things to do than engage my self-proclaimed silliness (not sarcastic)...I like to respond but damn...it's all jokes. And despite my tone…I really have no interest in debating this stuff considering the blatantly obvious sarcasm and humorous tones of my posts…like do you all seriously want to debate with me?…I gave God a “Shaking My Head” award…please don’t take me seriously enough to start an online debate…you all def have more important things to do than engage my self-proclaimed silliness (not sarcastic)…I like to respond but damn…it’s all jokes.

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By: Paul http://readethos.com/2008/06/09/shaking-my-head-and-the-winner-is/#comment-263 Paul Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:50:57 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=117#comment-263 lmao...no they should come at me directly cuz I just don't feel like responding to comments that are in no way relevant to my post and/or draw on a minuscule point of contention that takes us down a completely different irrelevant path...hit me up via email or facebook as one reader did...not a problem...we just like to comment back to everyone for good healthy debate but when it's just off topic it's just not good for the blog...and makes our job unnecessarily harder...pretty simple. lmao…no they should come at me directly cuz I just don’t feel like responding to comments that are in no way relevant to my post and/or draw on a minuscule point of contention that takes us down a completely different irrelevant path…hit me up via email or facebook as one reader did…not a problem…we just like to comment back to everyone for good healthy debate but when it’s just off topic it’s just not good for the blog…and makes our job unnecessarily harder…pretty simple.

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By: Anonymous http://readethos.com/2008/06/09/shaking-my-head-and-the-winner-is/#comment-262 Anonymous Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:02:27 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=117#comment-262 So when people disagree with one of your posts, they should just keep quiet about it? So when people disagree with one of your posts, they should just keep quiet about it?

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By: The Administration http://readethos.com/2008/06/09/shaking-my-head-and-the-winner-is/#comment-260 The Administration Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:45:02 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=117#comment-260 Listen the post is funny...stop talking about Obama's politics on this post...this has nothing to do with him...for real political banter go hit up Eric's post on him...now if anyone has something to say actually regarding the post please comment accordingly...thanks a bunch. Listen the post is funny…stop talking about Obama’s politics on this post…this has nothing to do with him…for real political banter go hit up Eric’s post on him…now if anyone has something to say actually regarding the post please comment accordingly…thanks a bunch.

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By: Paul http://readethos.com/2008/06/09/shaking-my-head-and-the-winner-is/#comment-259 Paul Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:42:44 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=117#comment-259 I'll keep this simple...the fact that Obama can't do any of the things that he is vaguely alluding to in his "hope" and "change" rhetoric because of presidential checks and balances doesn't negate the fact...that he won't be doing anything. That is the entire point...which everyone is clearly overlooking. The fact that he postures himself as a progressive means absolutely nothing if he doesn't get it done...is that an attack on Obama...not necessarily. The problem is everyone thinks he really is progressive...In reality he understands the need to make himself look like he wants to implement change...does that make him a bad person no...but it does make him a good politician who knows how little power he really has...for the 234234908 time change comes from the bottom not the top. This whole Obama is going to be an A+ candidate is based on absolutely nothing substantive so I have no interest in engaging that... Before you start riding the Obama bandwagon on healthcare do some research first. Look at the Massachusetts Plan (his plan) and see how well that worked out...the end. Nobody placed anything in Nader's hands anyways...if I vote for him it will be because he is the candidate mostly aligned to my political perspective not because he's feasible or realistic...that's a pretty weak move in my opinion...vote for who you want not the winning team...smh. I’ll keep this simple…the fact that Obama can’t do any of the things that he is vaguely alluding to in his “hope” and “change” rhetoric because of presidential checks and balances doesn’t negate the fact…that he won’t be doing anything. That is the entire point…which everyone is clearly overlooking. The fact that he postures himself as a progressive means absolutely nothing if he doesn’t get it done…is that an attack on Obama…not necessarily. The problem is everyone thinks he really is progressive…In reality he understands the need to make himself look like he wants to implement change…does that make him a bad person no…but it does make him a good politician who knows how little power he really has…for the 234234908 time change comes from the bottom not the top.

This whole Obama is going to be an A+ candidate is based on absolutely nothing substantive so I have no interest in engaging that…

Before you start riding the Obama bandwagon on healthcare do some research first. Look at the Massachusetts Plan (his plan) and see how well that worked out…the end.

Nobody placed anything in Nader’s hands anyways…if I vote for him it will be because he is the candidate mostly aligned to my political perspective not because he’s feasible or realistic…that’s a pretty weak move in my opinion…vote for who you want not the winning team…smh.

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By: Ed http://readethos.com/2008/06/09/shaking-my-head-and-the-winner-is/#comment-258 Ed Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:29:27 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=117#comment-258 I agree with you on some of the points you have made about the Obama followers (myself included in that category) in this post and previous ones. Chances are Obama will not be the savior that we all are hoping for, he won't reverse discrimination and with the stroke of a wand end all poverty, but how much of that is his fault. Let's not forget that there are a lot of checks on Presidential power and for good reason, even as President, Obama will have to make his policies and ideas for change appealing to both parties if he hopes to make permanent changes through law. But should we fault him for Congress' and the Senate's satisfaction with the current state of our country? People rally behind Obama because he represents change, he himself embodies the hope that every black child in America can believe in (and no I'm not voting for him solely because he's black). If Obama actually tries to make the policy changes that he says he will and they are shot down, I will not look at his presidency as a failure. Do you really think Ralph Nader, if elected President, would have more success changing the way things are done in Washington than Obama? Seems to me like you hate how much people love Obama(without being able to back it up with facts) but if that's the case u shouldn't be hating on Obama, hate on them and solely them. Finally for the D vs. F example. I believe Obama is an A candidate, lots of others think if Obama's an A candidate than Nader's an A++++ candidate, but there's no room for A+'s in a 4.0 grading scale. It's not enough to bash all other candidates and place your hope in Nader, who would create our perfect utopian society, without first considering the feasibility of the changes he claims he will make. I am not against Nader or a lot of the things he stands for but at some point we have to mix a little bit of realism to go along with the idealism. I agree most Obama supporters don't subscribe to that advice, but Nader's followers hardly do it at all. Is it really realistic for us to pull all our troops out of Iraq in 6 months and for Iraq to have formal elections and be better off than when we went in. I don't agree with the war any more than Nader does, but it happened, and now we have to come up with the best way to withdraw troops without allowing the country itself to crumble like a circle of toddlers playing Jenga. Is a single payer healthcare system the best way to go? Yes, is it the most feasible, no? Look at Obama's healthcare policy, a lot of it resonates with Nader's, he agrees that the current system of maintaining paper records is extremely wasteful. He believes that the cost of meds is way too high and 2 private insurance agencies shouldn't account for 2/3 of the market. But he knows that you can't hope to eliminate private insurance agencies all together, all at once. Private insurance agencies employ millions of people, do we really need more unemployed people in this country? Do you really think a law proposal suggesting that would pass? There are too many members of Congress and Senate who have strong ties to insurance and pharmaceudical companies. But if you increase competition and disband monopolies you decrease the insurance agencies' power, thereby decreasing the hold they have over our politicians, and that my friend, is change we can believe in. I agree with you on some of the points you have made about the Obama followers (myself included in that category) in this post and previous ones. Chances are Obama will not be the savior that we all are hoping for, he won’t reverse discrimination and with the stroke of a wand end all poverty, but how much of that is his fault. Let’s not forget that there are a lot of checks on Presidential power and for good reason, even as President, Obama will have to make his policies and ideas for change appealing to both parties if he hopes to make permanent changes through law. But should we fault him for Congress’ and the Senate’s satisfaction with the current state of our country? People rally behind Obama because he represents change, he himself embodies the hope that every black child in America can believe in (and no I’m not voting for him solely because he’s black). If Obama actually tries to make the policy changes that he says he will and they are shot down, I will not look at his presidency as a failure. Do you really think Ralph Nader, if elected President, would have more success changing the way things are done in Washington than Obama? Seems to me like you hate how much people love Obama(without being able to back it up with facts) but if that’s the case u shouldn’t be hating on Obama, hate on them and solely them.

Finally for the D vs. F example. I believe Obama is an A candidate, lots of others think if Obama’s an A candidate than Nader’s an A++++ candidate, but there’s no room for A+’s in a 4.0 grading scale. It’s not enough to bash all other candidates and place your hope in Nader, who would create our perfect utopian society, without first considering the feasibility of the changes he claims he will make. I am not against Nader or a lot of the things he stands for but at some point we have to mix a little bit of realism to go along with the idealism. I agree most Obama supporters don’t subscribe to that advice, but Nader’s followers hardly do it at all. Is it really realistic for us to pull all our troops out of Iraq in 6 months and for Iraq to have formal elections and be better off than when we went in. I don’t agree with the war any more than Nader does, but it happened, and now we have to come up with the best way to withdraw troops without allowing the country itself to crumble like a circle of toddlers playing Jenga. Is a single payer healthcare system the best way to go? Yes, is it the most feasible, no? Look at Obama’s healthcare policy, a lot of it resonates with Nader’s, he agrees that the current system of maintaining paper records is extremely wasteful. He believes that the cost of meds is way too high and 2 private insurance agencies shouldn’t account for 2/3 of the market. But he knows that you can’t hope to eliminate private insurance agencies all together, all at once. Private insurance agencies employ millions of people, do we really need more unemployed people in this country? Do you really think a law proposal suggesting that would pass? There are too many members of Congress and Senate who have strong ties to insurance and pharmaceudical companies. But if you increase competition and disband monopolies you decrease the insurance agencies’ power, thereby decreasing the hold they have over our politicians, and that my friend, is change we can believe in.

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By: Paul http://readethos.com/2008/06/09/shaking-my-head-and-the-winner-is/#comment-247 Paul Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:22:40 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=117#comment-247 1. This is waaaaay to serious. 2. I'm not really worried about people knowing his politics...at all. People have more important things to worry about...I don't really get invested in the whole "political" thing anymore because I don't think actual changes come from the top down. So who cares if people know his politics. I was not implying that because of his past he would suck...my point is by looking at his past record we can see what type of candidate he will be...one that is more towards the center...a lot closer to Bush than we think. Ergo if "Bush sucks" then I guess Obama will, in theory, not be much better. As a matter of fact their exit strategies were very very similar. 3. My comments cut off so the whole "mathematical" thing is null in void...neither of know what was said there...however it is political "science"...so there aren't technically formulas, but calling it subjective is a bit more complicated... 4. If I have no basis for that than saying that he will be better than Bush also has no basis...especially when the ultimate point is well-researched argument that he is "different" 5. If not supporting a candidate for posturing himself as a progressive candidate who is the polar opposite of Bush, despite the fact that his political record proves otherwise, then I guess I'm a hater. See the problem is I critique things...like I see a problem with something and I give substantial evidence to an opinion. I don't blindly attack things...I research them...I mean if that makes me a hater I can live with that. These things get way to personal like I said Obama was a bad person or something. The idea of not supporting someone is not an attack on the personal it just notes the blatant contradiction is his entire rhetoric. 6. This has absolutely nothing to do with my post whatsoever. I poked fun at the hilarity of the Obama fanclub...I mean if this is "hating" I can only imagine what Eric's post was... 7. This all goes back to a misreading of my posts, which is usually the case...I guess I'm not as clear as I should be...a prime example goes with the whole Soulja Boy thing where my point was missed...yes you can be better lyrically...I just don't think the content makes someone better...but it's pretty easy to judge the way people write their lyrics (vocabulary, analogies, swagger, etc.). With that I can easily say that I would write better rhymes than Soulja Boy...no doubt. 8. lmao...this is way to serious...maybe my next post will be about how much I love something. 1. This is waaaaay to serious.

2. I’m not really worried about people knowing his politics…at all. People have more important things to worry about…I don’t really get invested in the whole “political” thing anymore because I don’t think actual changes come from the top down. So who cares if people know his politics. I was not implying that because of his past he would suck…my point is by looking at his past record we can see what type of candidate he will be…one that is more towards the center…a lot closer to Bush than we think. Ergo if “Bush sucks” then I guess Obama will, in theory, not be much better. As a matter of fact their exit strategies were very very similar.

3. My comments cut off so the whole “mathematical” thing is null in void…neither of know what was said there…however it is political “science”…so there aren’t technically formulas, but calling it subjective is a bit more complicated…

4. If I have no basis for that than saying that he will be better than Bush also has no basis…especially when the ultimate point is well-researched argument that he is “different”

5. If not supporting a candidate for posturing himself as a progressive candidate who is the polar opposite of Bush, despite the fact that his political record proves otherwise, then I guess I’m a hater. See the problem is I critique things…like I see a problem with something and I give substantial evidence to an opinion. I don’t blindly attack things…I research them…I mean if that makes me a hater I can live with that. These things get way to personal like I said Obama was a bad person or something. The idea of not supporting someone is not an attack on the personal it just notes the blatant contradiction is his entire rhetoric.

6. This has absolutely nothing to do with my post whatsoever. I poked fun at the hilarity of the Obama fanclub…I mean if this is “hating” I can only imagine what Eric’s post was…

7. This all goes back to a misreading of my posts, which is usually the case…I guess I’m not as clear as I should be…a prime example goes with the whole Soulja Boy thing where my point was missed…yes you can be better lyrically…I just don’t think the content makes someone better…but it’s pretty easy to judge the way people write their lyrics (vocabulary, analogies, swagger, etc.). With that I can easily say that I would write better rhymes than Soulja Boy…no doubt.

8. lmao…this is way to serious…maybe my next post will be about how much I love something.

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By: Perk http://readethos.com/2008/06/09/shaking-my-head-and-the-winner-is/#comment-246 Perk Sun, 22 Jun 2008 02:01:26 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=117#comment-246 Who in the world are any of us to say that one is a "D" compared to an "F". I mean you have the time to read every single little small detail of his politics...Congrats....But in no way does that mean you can predict how well of a candidate he's going to me All of us aren't that interested in politics...if we were, we'd all be poli sci majors...I just feel like u think that just because you "know" his politics "Inside and out" because you have the time to read up on all of his politics, that you can say how great of a president he's going to be. Hell, with the path I'm going on I'm going to be VP of HR one day, but does my previous job experience completely predict how great of an HR employee I'm going to be one day? The answer is HELL NO. My boss did Psych, worked in Customer service, and is my "Boss" at Boeing which is a pretty big deal. But, his path was not nearly as good as mine and since I'm on the "Right path" I'm going to run stuff in HR one day.... In a sense, how absurd is that. You have no clue how great he's going to be, just like I have no clue how great I'm going to be. As far as the Souja Boy argument, as far as I'm concerned he's doing his thing because he's getting paid and the masses love him...and isn't that what it's all about...... Because according to you, one rapper isn't better than the next because of their lyrics because they all see "Success" ass appealing to the masses which as far as I'm concerned Souja Boy certainly has done... Lastly, as far as I was concerned, "Concrete mathematical" is a formula, along with my HR example, there's no formula for anything in the world, come on now you should know that better than any of us since your in such a "subjective" field such as Poli Sci... Don't sit around and tell me how "successful" obama is going to be and how he's going to be a "D" candidate compared to an "F" one, there's no basis behind it and i truly feel like your "Hating" on him because you don't think that he can bring about the "Change" that he talks about.... Give people a chance Who in the world are any of us to say that one is a “D” compared to an “F”. I mean you have the time to read every single little small detail of his politics…Congrats….But in no way does that mean you can predict how well of a candidate he’s going to me

All of us aren’t that interested in politics…if we were, we’d all be poli sci majors…I just feel like u think that just because you “know” his politics “Inside and out” because you have the time to read up on all of his politics, that you can say how great of a president he’s going to be. Hell, with the path I’m going on I’m going to be VP of HR one day, but does my previous job experience completely predict how great of an HR employee I’m going to be one day? The answer is HELL NO. My boss did Psych, worked in Customer service, and is my “Boss” at Boeing which is a pretty big deal. But, his path was not nearly as good as mine and since I’m on the “Right path” I’m going to run stuff in HR one day….

In a sense, how absurd is that. You have no clue how great he’s going to be, just like I have no clue how great I’m going to be. As far as the Souja Boy argument, as far as I’m concerned he’s doing his thing because he’s getting paid and the masses love him…and isn’t that what it’s all about……

Because according to you, one rapper isn’t better than the next because of their lyrics because they all see “Success” ass appealing to the masses which as far as I’m concerned Souja Boy certainly has done…

Lastly, as far as I was concerned, “Concrete mathematical” is a formula, along with my HR example, there’s no formula for anything in the world, come on now you should know that better than any of us since your in such a “subjective” field such as Poli Sci…

Don’t sit around and tell me how “successful” obama is going to be and how he’s going to be a “D” candidate compared to an “F” one, there’s no basis behind it and i truly feel like your “Hating” on him because you don’t think that he can bring about the “Change” that he talks about….

Give people a chance

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By: Paul http://readethos.com/2008/06/09/shaking-my-head-and-the-winner-is/#comment-244 Paul Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:11:28 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=117#comment-244 1. I mean I know his politics well enough to know that he probably isn't going to make the changes that people think that he is...thereby making him lackluster. 2. I never said Bush wasn't lackluster...but seriously everyone needs to move on Bush it out...he's not in the race so why are we looking back for comparison.s 3. I'm different from Soulja Boy...that doesn't make me a good rapper...or even better than him...that argument is completely ungrounded in any substantial political policy comparison. 4. The point is you shouldn't have to vote for the guy who is like Bush, as you say (McCain) or the guy who isn't like Bush, as you say (Obama)...because that is a silly reason to vote for anyone...considering it has nothing to do with what they will actually do in office. 5. A "D" is better than an "F"...as my transcript shows...but who really wants the D...like yea I got a "D" in calc...but I would prefer an "A". I got credit, but law school still says, "Damn homie got a "D"...we're talking about the difference between 0 and 1...is that reaaally how we want to look at our presidential options. 6. 3rd Party Politics and Grassroots Movements...why are all the biology majors becoming biologists, chemistry majors becoming chemists, and political science majors become...professors...cuz politics has very little to do with changing anything...so they go into academia...write books and work in their organizations and live their lives as socialists. Ultimately what needs to be understood is that getting to the White House has very little to do in your substantial plan and more to do with how good of a politician you are. I have always said that Obama is one of the best politicians that I have seen in my life. The way he has molded the words "change" and "hope" into an entire movement is tremendous...but does it make him a good president? You're right we don't know. But from his politics...yes I do know that he prolly won't make a good one. Better than Bush? And as far as taking a "D" over and "F"...well clearly I would take the "D"...as I have before...but the point is we should shoot for an A...which I believe I noted in saying that it shouldn't be our goal. And again, this idea that different is better is not grounded. I can say from a concrete mathematical 1. I mean I know his politics well enough to know that he probably isn’t going to make the changes that people think that he is…thereby making him lackluster.

2. I never said Bush wasn’t lackluster…but seriously everyone needs to move on Bush it out…he’s not in the race so why are we looking back for comparison.s

3. I’m different from Soulja Boy…that doesn’t make me a good rapper…or even better than him…that argument is completely ungrounded in any substantial political policy comparison.

4. The point is you shouldn’t have to vote for the guy who is like Bush, as you say (McCain) or the guy who isn’t like Bush, as you say (Obama)…because that is a silly reason to vote for anyone…considering it has nothing to do with what they will actually do in office.

5. A “D” is better than an “F”…as my transcript shows…but who really wants the D…like yea I got a “D” in calc…but I would prefer an “A”. I got credit, but law school still says, “Damn homie got a “D”…we’re talking about the difference between 0 and 1…is that reaaally how we want to look at our presidential options.

6. 3rd Party Politics and Grassroots Movements…why are all the biology majors becoming biologists, chemistry majors becoming chemists, and political science majors become…professors…cuz politics has very little to do with changing anything…so they go into academia…write books and work in their organizations and live their lives as socialists.

Ultimately what needs to be understood is that getting to the White House has very little to do in your substantial plan and more to do with how good of a politician you are. I have always said that Obama is one of the best politicians that I have seen in my life. The way he has molded the words “change” and “hope” into an entire movement is tremendous…but does it make him a good president? You’re right we don’t know. But from his politics…yes I do know that he prolly won’t make a good one. Better than Bush?

And as far as taking a “D” over and “F”…well clearly I would take the “D”…as I have before…but the point is we should shoot for an A…which I believe I noted in saying that it shouldn’t be our goal.

And again, this idea that different is better is not grounded. I can say from a concrete mathematical

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