Comments on: I Love Music…and musicians http://readethos.com/2008/05/18/i-love-musicand-musicians/ A blog on race, class, politics & culture Sun, 29 Mar 2009 03:55:29 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Ed http://readethos.com/2008/05/18/i-love-musicand-musicians/#comment-275 Ed Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:22:56 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=82#comment-275 He's only got one cd released which had some good stuff but the real gems are on the mood muzik mixtape series. He's got three mixtapes mood muzik 1,2,&3 and theyre all fire He’s only got one cd released which had some good stuff but the real gems are on the mood muzik mixtape series. He’s got three mixtapes mood muzik 1,2,&3 and theyre all fire

]]> By: Paul http://readethos.com/2008/05/18/i-love-musicand-musicians/#comment-274 Paul Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:23:21 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=82#comment-274 From the little bit that I have heard from Buddens and the video with Gloria Velez...I do respect him a lot...I haven't listened to a whole lot tho...he's on the list of people I need to give a serious listening too tho. From the little bit that I have heard from Buddens and the video with Gloria Velez…I do respect him a lot…I haven’t listened to a whole lot tho…he’s on the list of people I need to give a serious listening too tho.

]]> By: Ed http://readethos.com/2008/05/18/i-love-musicand-musicians/#comment-273 Ed Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:47:14 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=82#comment-273 word I agree, I'm not a huge fan of the Carter 3, it grows on me everytime I listen to it but both the carter and the carter 2 were much better in my opinion. I will say that "Tie My Hands" is one of my favorite songs right now...weezy cant go wrong with Robin Thicke features. U like Joe Budden? word I agree, I’m not a huge fan of the Carter 3, it grows on me everytime I listen to it but both the carter and the carter 2 were much better in my opinion. I will say that “Tie My Hands” is one of my favorite songs right now…weezy cant go wrong with Robin Thicke features.

U like Joe Budden?

]]> By: Paul http://readethos.com/2008/05/18/i-love-musicand-musicians/#comment-272 Paul Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:41:31 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=82#comment-272 I would say though that Kanye's real talent is his knowledge of just music...like he has one of the best ears for samples, which probably shows his knowledge of different genres. I mean that's pretty legit and dope to me when I find new music through his samples. It's like Weezy saying, "And that was called recycling or rereciting something cause you just like it so you say it just like it. Some say its biting but I say its enlightening..." Sidenote: to get a better perspective on easy beat making find the sample to Dr. Carter, produced by Swizz Beatz...it's a David Axelrod joint "Holy Thursday"...maybe the laziest sample of all time...even Kanye takes the time to put his trademark drums on his beats. I would say though that Kanye’s real talent is his knowledge of just music…like he has one of the best ears for samples, which probably shows his knowledge of different genres. I mean that’s pretty legit and dope to me when I find new music through his samples. It’s like Weezy saying,

“And that was called recycling
or rereciting
something cause you just like it
so you say it just like it.
Some say its biting
but I say its enlightening…”

Sidenote: to get a better perspective on easy beat making find the sample to Dr. Carter, produced by Swizz Beatz…it’s a David Axelrod joint “Holy Thursday”…maybe the laziest sample of all time…even Kanye takes the time to put his trademark drums on his beats.

]]> By: Paul http://readethos.com/2008/05/18/i-love-musicand-musicians/#comment-267 Paul Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:14:55 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=82#comment-267 Kanye is pretty simplistic in his beats...J Dilla, Primo, others are very complex...again get the samples, it's pretty cut and dry...and my point is quite grounded as the article proves, not even going to begin to engage that point...finally no one is saying what they do is not music...I just gave them a different title (musical engineer) cuz and mpc or a computer isn't an instrument...it's a computer...no one said they weren't talented just different. Kanye is pretty simplistic in his beats…J Dilla, Primo, others are very complex…again get the samples, it’s pretty cut and dry…and my point is quite grounded as the article proves, not even going to begin to engage that point…finally no one is saying what they do is not music…I just gave them a different title (musical engineer) cuz and mpc or a computer isn’t an instrument…it’s a computer…no one said they weren’t talented just different.

]]> By: Ed http://readethos.com/2008/05/18/i-love-musicand-musicians/#comment-266 Ed Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:08:13 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=82#comment-266 My point in talking about getting ur break was that just because ur boy says he can recreate a kanye beat and u cant replicate Charlie Parker's "Ornithology" doesn't meant that what Kanye does is monumentally more simplistic or easier to replicate. My point was that there are lots of other people who are extremely talented (like DJ Zay for instance) who can replicate a Kanye beat from scratch but the majority of us cannot, just like the majority of us cannot replicate "Ornithology." My main point is that one cannot say that beat makers and producers are not musicians simply because they do not play the saxophone or piano. You can argue that the complexity of the music or the difficulty of the music makes classical composers, or saxophonists, or jazz violinists more gifted or more talented but at the end of the day someone who makes music is a musician. Do you consider yourself a musician because you play the saxophone? You should. But have you ever created your own songs? If you have, does that mean your only a musician when your playing your own songs? I recognize the difference between the two scenarios is that ur argument is that producers often just lazily jack a beat or use a sample but at the core the scenarios are the same. In every style of music there is sampling or all out biting but that doesn't mean ur not a musician. If you take a portion of another song, and incorporate your own drums or horns or what have you, you have created a different, unique, musical composition. Furthermore, if you do accept the keyboard to be a musical instrument I don't see how you can say someone who uses it to make their own unique sound with their own individual twist is not a musician. To deny producers the title of musicians simply because they sample is not grounded in anything. My point in talking about getting ur break was that just because ur boy says he can recreate a kanye beat and u cant replicate Charlie Parker’s “Ornithology” doesn’t meant that what Kanye does is monumentally more simplistic or easier to replicate. My point was that there are lots of other people who are extremely talented (like DJ Zay for instance) who can replicate a Kanye beat from scratch but the majority of us cannot, just like the majority of us cannot replicate “Ornithology.”

My main point is that one cannot say that beat makers and producers are not musicians simply because they do not play the saxophone or piano. You can argue that the complexity of the music or the difficulty of the music makes classical composers, or saxophonists, or jazz violinists more gifted or more talented but at the end of the day someone who makes music is a musician. Do you consider yourself a musician because you play the saxophone? You should. But have you ever created your own songs? If you have, does that mean your only a musician when your playing your own songs? I recognize the difference between the two scenarios is that ur argument is that producers often just lazily jack a beat or use a sample but at the core the scenarios are the same. In every style of music there is sampling or all out biting but that doesn’t mean ur not a musician. If you take a portion of another song, and incorporate your own drums or horns or what have you, you have created a different, unique, musical composition. Furthermore, if you do accept the keyboard to be a musical instrument I don’t see how you can say someone who uses it to make their own unique sound with their own individual twist is not a musician. To deny producers the title of musicians simply because they sample is not grounded in anything.

]]> By: Paul http://readethos.com/2008/05/18/i-love-musicand-musicians/#comment-255 Paul Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:55:12 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=82#comment-255 1. Most modern composers are learned in most instruments...it's a part of the training actually. Even the oldest, if they did not know myriad instruments, definitely mastered there own...in other words...false. 2. Hip-Hop is based on samples...so the many instances that I noted that do not involve samples is definitely enormously outnumbered by those who do sample... 3. I said a keyboard was an instrument... 4. Just because you have a "break" has absolutely nothing to do with being a musician...at all...no on ever made that point. 5. And if you have no problem with my criteria with musicianship and you actually know Hip-Hop production then you would concluded that most are not really musicians and more musical engineers...not a big deal either way. 6. Point again completely missed. 1. Most modern composers are learned in most instruments…it’s a part of the training actually. Even the oldest, if they did not know myriad instruments, definitely mastered there own…in other words…false.

2. Hip-Hop is based on samples…so the many instances that I noted that do not involve samples is definitely enormously outnumbered by those who do sample…

3. I said a keyboard was an instrument…

4. Just because you have a “break” has absolutely nothing to do with being a musician…at all…no on ever made that point.

5. And if you have no problem with my criteria with musicianship and you actually know Hip-Hop production then you would concluded that most are not really musicians and more musical engineers…not a big deal either way.

6. Point again completely missed.

]]> By: Ed http://readethos.com/2008/05/18/i-love-musicand-musicians/#comment-253 Ed Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:41:50 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=82#comment-253 While there are certainly some producers who use lots of samples and the same drum loop on every song, there are many more instances in which samples aren't used at all or if it is it's not even a full line. We give classical composers credit for creating harmonious symphonies even if they are not capable of playing each instrument themselves, why then do we say producers aren't musicians because they get their instruments from a keyboard. The artistic expression is in the way they use the drums, pianos, horns, and hand claps to create their own beat with their own personal touch. So your friend can reconstruct a Kanye beat, good for him, I would love to be able to do the same, but what's the difference between him and the old man playing the saxophone at the jazz club on the corner? They both are talented musicians who have yet to get their big break, just because cant replicate Charlie Parker’s “Ornithology” doesn't mean that he can't. I have no problem with what you're saying about the samples and repetitive horns that some producers use but that does not mean that the majority of hip-hops producers are not musicians. While there are certainly some producers who use lots of samples and the same drum loop on every song, there are many more instances in which samples aren’t used at all or if it is it’s not even a full line. We give classical composers credit for creating harmonious symphonies even if they are not capable of playing each instrument themselves, why then do we say producers aren’t musicians because they get their instruments from a keyboard. The artistic expression is in the way they use the drums, pianos, horns, and hand claps to create their own beat with their own personal touch. So your friend can reconstruct a Kanye beat, good for him, I would love to be able to do the same, but what’s the difference between him and the old man playing the saxophone at the jazz club on the corner? They both are talented musicians who have yet to get their big break, just because cant replicate Charlie Parker’s “Ornithology” doesn’t mean that he can’t. I have no problem with what you’re saying about the samples and repetitive horns that some producers use but that does not mean that the majority of hip-hops producers are not musicians.

]]> By: Perk http://readethos.com/2008/05/18/i-love-musicand-musicians/#comment-164 Perk Wed, 28 May 2008 05:25:04 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=82#comment-164 Awesome article. At the end of they day, artists are going to do what sells because it's simply all about the money. I'm not even sure they would care what we called them, as long as they're "Going straight to the bank with this" That's a line by 50 by the way. I love the article though Awesome article. At the end of they day, artists are going to do what sells because it’s simply all about the money. I’m not even sure they would care what we called them, as long as they’re “Going straight to the bank with this”

That’s a line by 50 by the way.

I love the article though

]]> By: iamchloe http://readethos.com/2008/05/18/i-love-musicand-musicians/#comment-134 iamchloe Tue, 20 May 2008 21:46:49 +0000 http://ourtwocents.wordpress.com/?p=82#comment-134 1. Shweeeeet muxtapes! Who knew "Kick Push" sampled from a famous Tagalog song....yeaaa Philippines, shoutout to my motherland. 2. Great piece. 1. Shweeeeet muxtapes! Who knew “Kick Push” sampled from a famous Tagalog song….yeaaa Philippines, shoutout to my motherland.

2. Great piece.

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